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đŹ LETâS drag Glennâs name through the mud for fun. I am not keen using that summbitch GLENN HOROWITZâs name during this Substack intro. Itâs such a special and historic Substack butâŚ
𦾠that FUK owes me a thousand bucks!!!
He did, however, teach me several lessons during our friendship. (RiP 2001-2016)
He brokered the deal for the Bob Dylan Center to get their keepsakes.
IF HE KNEW THE TRUE VALUE OF DYLAN HE WOULD HAVE ASKED FOR MORE
Glenn was a rare manuscript seller with a sterling reputation. He told me about many of his historic sales. He was brought in to the Dylan Camp to negotiate the once-and-final sale of Bob Dylanâs 100,000 item (recordings and museum pieces) to the Kaiser Foundation, Tulsa University and The Woody Guthrie Center.
As for his sterling reputation, that went into the crapper after he was LEFT HOLDING THE BAG (not his wife). He was BUSTED selling {TRYING TO SELL} stolen property.
WHOMP WHOMP WHAAAAAAAAAMMMMP
See:
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/eagles-hotel-california-don-henley-court-dismissed-1234982074/
I donât know the specifics of the Kaiser/Dylan Center deal but Iâm guessing it was a steal for Kaiser.
Iâm sure BOB INC. and Jeff Rosen took future income into consideration. The income for the GATE ALONE ($15 entry) at the Dylan Center will be income for Dylanâs entire family for decades to come.
The artifact warehouse is educational. Itâs for research. Itâs for preservation. Even I made a contribution to their annals. More on that below.
Researchers and Scholars who have Dylan-centric projects and WANT or need to see Dylanâs items for âresearchâ must pay the Dylan Center and PAY-PER-USE.
Many Universities, like UTexas and the Ransome Center, have large collections of Americana and charge for the trouble of bringing things out of storage. Itâs what the Dylan Center is doing. Tons of places.
đ¤đź Your private show can be filed under Research.
Inspect with white gloves for a Fee.
đ¨ Income in perpetuity for the Center.
The tax considerations (pluses and minuses) afforded to BOB INC are unknown. (Million$ over time)
Donât forget the entry cost to go into the GUTHRIE/DYLAN Center and buy something from the bookshop. That pays all the salaries plus.
â Anyway, Glenn Horowitz had to put a price on it. He had to guess at some common sale to base his price-tag for Bob Dylanâs archive. There didnât seem any other comparable artist and museum to base it on.
Again, I have not negotiated million dollar deals. The broad stroke picture is that a broker finds a buyer that can promise the authorized use, care and display of the items. Two potential buyers might create a bidding war which is good for a broker receiving a percentage of the deal.
Further plots, plans and agreements by the parties are developed over time. A broker needs to tie it UP in a PRETTY BOW and get âer done.
After the deal was done in 2016, the items were shipped, the museum was built and here we are.
Glenn took his fee from the publicly reported sale of $20million. Part of the reason heâs a dumbass is that he either let the deal makers cut him out of the REAL value OR Glenn donât know shit about how much more Dylanâs archive is worth compared to his contemporaries. Is there a Stephen Stills museum? James Taylor Museum?
Glenn confided in me that the Talking Headsâ David Byrneâs MOTHER stored all of her sonâs memorabilia and works of art. Is there going to be world-wide interest in a David Byrne Museum? Maybe a passing exhibit butâŚhe donât cut it compared to Bob.
Willie Nelson, Johnny Cash and (INSERT NAME OF PARADIGM SHIFTING MUSICIAN HERE) may have names that command a $20,000,000 sale. But WHO exactly? (Americans only in this case)
Elvis has a museum. Does Duke Ellington? Cole Porter? Louis Armstrong? (Small ones if at all)
Glenn didnât know jack shit about Dylan. He still doesnât know shit about how the 1960s Folk and Blues Revival PRESERVED vital links and connections in 20th Century American Songwriting and innovative style and skills. Video wasnât widely used back then. The musicians HAD TO watch the MASTER BLUESMEN at work. As Arlo said, thereâs more to it.
First came the GIANT (woody) then came the GIANT 2.0 then came all the others.
Doesnât $20million seem low?
Either way, Glenn made 10-15% and still owes me a thousand of his $2-3million pre-tax income from the sale. dick
đ Glenn was good at playing Las Vegas casino with other peopleâs money. Roll the dice! Try for a bidding war between collectors.
I WENT TO THE GUTHRIE CENTER IN TULSA ON MIKE PORCOâS BIRTHDAY 2016
By 2016, I had so much fucking folk music related material on âfilmâ by it would surprise you. I was still editing and working with my material that became the Gerdeâs Folk City Doc.
On the plane, I thought that I had museum pieces on my harddrive that I was traveling with.
đŹ I had a treasure trove of museum pieces still on the laptop.
What would the Guthrie Center want of MINE???
I wanted to leave THE FULL RECORDING OF Arloâs words with the Guthrie Center.
đĽ And I owe him more gratitude than I showed him in his home that day and I owe him a writerâs credit for my film.
His wife died weeks before we met for the interview. Weeks, dude.
Yet somehow he NOTICED that I was in a one year swing of doing interviews. And he, apparently, wanted to get all of his memories recorded. Bloodlines matter. I gained entry because of Mikeâs deeds 50 years prior.
He invited Dave Peller and me. I met Arloâs daughter Annie for the first time.
We were not to walk in and disturb the past several weeks of emptiness in their home. Iâm still gobsmacked that he agreed to speak so soon after his wifeâs passing. Itâs possible that I had asked him for the meeting without knowledge of his wifeâs illness.
đŹ He laid the whole thing out for me. (Youâll see it below) It really only took him 47 minutes to tell almost everything but we recorded for about 90.
As I spent time transcribing my material back then, I could better see the shape of the Gerdeâs Folk City doc.
ONE LINK IN A LONG CHAIN
đ My duel mission to Tulsa, OK was the Bob Dylan concert on the 23rd. It became a mission to preserve some museum pieces by handing off the Arlo Interview for The Woody Guthrie Center.
I set it up with an email. Very accessible. Also, they were very accepting of an in-person delivery to Oklahoma from East 77th NY.
I still have the âcustodyâ papers I signed with them. They hold the FULL ARLO GUTHRIE interview conducted in 2013.
The deal for Dylanâs stuff was for it to be displayed in a future museum. Not until the deal was public did I learn that it was The Kaiser Foundation supplying The Woody Guthrie Museum in Tulsa.
In theory, I made a deposit at the museum before the Dylan stuff arrived. (At the time, the deal had recently been announced and I was invited for a brief tour)
As the worldâs only Gerdeâs Folk City journalist, I thought I should be boots on the ground to make a blog post and see a Dylan concert at the same time.
It was Mike Porcoâs birth date of 10/23/16. Below is Bob 10/23/16
Dylan played at the Masonic Temple or whatever they call the Tulsa Field House there. It was a lovely walk from the hotel and through downtown. I could have drove to the concert but I was alone in Tulsa for the first time and the weather was perfect. I wanted to experience a weekend on foot there. The business district, on weekend, was entirely closed. It looked like a mini NYC avenue complete with a 1/5 sized WTC tower. Same skin.
WHAT YOUâLL SEE IN THE ARLO GUTHRIE INTERVIEW
Saying âGERDEâSâ to those still with us who have memories of Mike and Folk City in the early days, their eyes drift off and they remember youth. They remember approaching the cusp of a MOVEMENT never seen in the 20th Century AND they remember the decade of their lives where America was reshaped into a more modern version.
God knows the price SOMEONE could negotiate for my unique B-Roll and 4k concert footage. The stuff I have in a storage bin, the signed guitars that I have left, the signed books and CDs and albums signed either âto Bobâ or âDear Mikeâ and ALLLLL the shit I have accumulated and experienced- it is FOR SALE!!! Whore that shit out. Itâs not for me to keep. I know others with museums in their own apartments. (More on that in another post)
I am the museum piece. Me. Donât miss your chance to hire me as a greeter at your museum.
đđ˝đđ˝đđ˝ FULL ARLO GUTHRIE INTERVIEW AUGUST 9, 2013 AS PART OF YOUR PAID SUBSCRIPTIONđđ˝đđ˝
Dave Peller was an angel investor and roadie for more than a few âshoots/interviewsâ
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